Patrick Bet-David:
I want to start off by saying this is a very disturbing and uncomfortable interview to watch. If you’re watching this with your kids—they’re 12, 10, 14 years old—this is not the one for them. This is 18 and above. If later on you feel comfortable as a parent to have them watch it, then do it.

You’re going to see every emotion in here. There was extreme tension in certain moments—tears, laughter, tension, debate. I had to bring my booker, Tony, in because some of the accusations made needed clarification. Tony came in here because she shared some names she’s never shared before.

Two of the names she mentioned were individuals she was trafficked to as a child. One of them, she claims, was a powerful billionaire, someone you know by name. She described attending Bilderberg event parties in Europe and returning with reports for this billionaire after her abusers exploited her at 9, 10, 11 years old.

What that information was used for—your imagination can take it where it will. The reason I wanted to have this conversation is not because it’s a podcast people will eagerly anticipate. It’s because this is something we have to talk about.

In America, there are 359,000 missing children as of 2022, according to the FBI. What more do we need to do? Sit around and not talk about it? Some might say, “It’s too disturbing.” But someone’s child is missing, and we must bring light to this.

I feel it’s our responsibility. Every once in a while, I do interviews like this because I believe we have to address these things. Many of the claims she made were shocking—Prime Ministers, billionaires. She was pressed on some of these claims, and I encourage you to do your own due diligence as you listen to this.

It’s not easy to talk about stories like this. It takes immense courage to come forward. While I believe in “innocent until proven guilty,” I also believe it’s essential to research and understand for yourself. If you’re someone as interested in this issue as I am, I think this interview will resonate with you.

Having said that, here’s my conversation with Anneke Lucas.

Patrick Bet-David:
They wanted to control… everyone.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you ever meet him?

Anneke Lucas:
Meet him? Oh, yeah.

Patrick Bet-David:
What was he like?

Anneke Lucas:
Horrendous.

Patrick Bet-David:
Unpack it.

Anneke Lucas:
He loved being behind the scenes, creating this elite sex slave who was going to make him millions. It’s a $150 billion-a-year industry. This is a global elite network. It’s not just a network of friends. There’s infighting among them, too.

Patrick Bet-David:
Mind control training at 9 years old?

Anneke Lucas:
Yeah.

Patrick Bet-David:
Why did they take you there? Was it politically related, business, or celebrity?

Anneke Lucas:
Celebrity.

Patrick Bet-David:
You’ve never talked about this.

Anneke Lucas:
I’ve never said his name. I can’t just flop these names out.

Patrick Bet-David:
Is this someone we’d know?

Anneke Lucas:
Definitely.

Patrick Bet-David:
Alive or dead?

Anneke Lucas:
I didn’t think this was going to be the kind of conversation we’d have.

Patrick Bet-David:
For the audience, I want to clarify. You told Tony you wanted to name names.

Anneke Lucas:
No, I didn’t say that at all.

Patrick Bet-David:
What was your training like?

Anneke Lucas:
That week, I was sleeping with men and reporting on their weaknesses or sexual preferences. It was all part of their control.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you ever think you would make it through?

Anneke Lucas:
I feel I wasn’t supposed to. I had a near-death experience.

Patrick Bet-David:
And you came back.

Anneke Lucas:
Yes.

Patrick Bet-David:
Your story is one of survival.

Anneke Lucas:
Thank you.

Patrick Bet-David:
Why would they need to train you for this?

Anneke Lucas:
He had plans for me. He wanted me to know how to behave in elite environments, to know how to eat, recognize good clothes, and be comfortable in those spaces.

Patrick Bet-David:
So you were being groomed for a specific role?

Anneke Lucas:
Exactly. He wanted to make me into an elite sex slave, famous in France. With that fame, I was meant to attract the most powerful men in the world.

Patrick Bet-David:
And then report back on them?

Anneke Lucas:
Yes. It was all part of his plan.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you ever rebel?

Anneke Lucas:
Yes. After I rebelled, I was immediately tortured, thrown in a cage, and retrained for days. It was brutal.

Patrick Bet-David:
Who was involved in that?

Anneke Lucas:
Hans Harmsen was there. He was in charge of the mind control training.

Patrick Bet-David:
Who was Hans Harmsen?

Anneke Lucas:
He was a bureaucrat in Nazi Germany, responsible for forced sterilizations and eugenics experiments. He later became a key figure in my mind control training, a part of David Rockefeller’s special project.

Patrick Bet-David:
How did you meet David Rockefeller?

Anneke Lucas:
I didn’t know it was him at the time. I only realized it later when I saw his face in 2017, the year he died.

Patrick Bet-David:
So you didn’t know who he was until decades later?

Anneke Lucas:
Exactly. I knew him as David. They never used his full name around me.

Patrick Bet-David:
What was he like?

Anneke Lucas:
He was a pedophile. There are many survivors who were abused by him. He had this excitement when he was around children. It’s like he was trying to revive something dead inside himself.

Patrick Bet-David:
Where did this training take place?

Anneke Lucas:
In several of his estates—Westchester, New York City, and Maine. I was taken to a Rothschild property at one point as well. Rockefeller sought their permission to proceed with his plans for me.

Patrick Bet-David:
What kind of plans?

Anneke Lucas:
He wanted to create an elite sex slave who could infiltrate powerful circles and report back to him.

Patrick Bet-David:
Why would someone like him, with all his wealth, do that?

Anneke Lucas:
He was driven by his perversions and a desire for control. It wasn’t about money; it was about power.

Patrick Bet-David:
What about the people around him—his staff?

Anneke Lucas:
They acted like everything was normal, even when they saw me in bed with him. They treated me very nicely, as if nothing was wrong.

Patrick Bet-David:
And they never questioned it?

Anneke Lucas:
No. They were either controlled themselves or carefully selected for their loyalty.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned you were taken to Germany. What happened there?

Anneke Lucas:
I was sent to a facility in Heidelberg for mind control training. It was precise and scientific, designed to create a high-functioning tool for their purposes.

Patrick Bet-David:
What kind of training?

Anneke Lucas:
It was based on torture. They’d strangle me until I fainted, forcing my intuition to sharpen. They wanted me to predict people’s behaviors and weaknesses without reasoning.

Patrick Bet-David:
Who orchestrated this?

Anneke Lucas:
David Rockefeller and Hans Harmsen. I was one of Rockefeller’s special projects.

Patrick Bet-David:
When you came across Hans Harmsen’s photo later in life, what happened?

Anneke Lucas:
It triggered a programmed reaction. His face was tied to my memories of being strangled and tortured. I had to work through years of healing, meditation, and yoga to undo the physical and emotional trauma tied to his image.

Patrick Bet-David:
What about the training itself?

Anneke Lucas:
It was all about dissociation. Trauma splits the mind, creating separate parts or “alters” that could be programmed to perform specific tasks. They used my trauma to control me and make me compliant.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned being trafficked internationally. What was your experience in the U.S.?

Anneke Lucas:
In the summer of 1972, I spent a month being trafficked in the United States by a powerful billionaire. He trained me in his homes in Westchester, New York City, and Maine, preparing me for life among the elite.

Patrick Bet-David:
Was this training purely about social etiquette?

Anneke Lucas:
No, it included sexual training as well. He wanted me to be comfortable in elite environments while also serving his perverse needs.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you interact with others in his circle?

Anneke Lucas:
Yes. I was taken to meet a Rothschild on an island in the northeastern U.S. The billionaire sought their approval for the plans he had for me.

Patrick Bet-David:
What plans?

Anneke Lucas:
He wanted to create an elite sex slave who could become famous, infiltrate powerful circles, and gather information for him.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned rituals. What were they?

Anneke Lucas:
These were satanic rituals, staged to demonstrate loyalty to their network. They were horrific.

Patrick Bet-David:
You said you eventually rebelled. What happened then?

Anneke Lucas:
After I rebelled, I was tortured and thrown into a dungeon for several days. They tried to retrain me through brutal methods, but ultimately, I was rejected from their inner circle.

Patrick Bet-David:
Who tortured you?

Anneke Lucas:
Hans Harmsen was directly involved. David Rockefeller was there for parts of it, verbally demeaning me and reinforcing my “worthlessness.”

Patrick Bet-David:
How did you escape this life?

Anneke Lucas:
A year later, I was rescued by a gangster who took an interest in me. However, that relationship was extremely violent. Eventually, I had a near-death experience, which marked a turning point.

Patrick Bet-David:
What was the near-death experience like?

Anneke Lucas:
It was beautiful and transformative. I felt an overwhelming sense of love and connection to the divine. It gave me the strength to survive and eventually heal.

Patrick Bet-David:
After the near-death experience, how did your healing process begin?

Anneke Lucas:
It was a long journey. I’ve spent over 30 years healing from the abuse. I’ve worked through the trauma, learned to understand the dynamics of power and control, and developed methods to help others who’ve been through similar experiences.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you ever reconnect with your mother?

Anneke Lucas:
I forgave her before she died. I called her to tell her I forgave her, but we didn’t reconnect deeply. She never changed, and the reality of who she was became clear to me as I healed.

Patrick Bet-David:
What about your stepfather?

Anneke Lucas:
He turned a blind eye to everything. I tried to tell him about the abuse, but he didn’t believe me.

Patrick Bet-David:
How did your mother justify the bruises and signs of abuse?

Anneke Lucas:
She made up stories, like saying I was a tomboy who climbed trees, even though I wasn’t. She would do anything to cover up the truth.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned being emotionally attached to some of your abusers. How do you explain that?

Anneke Lucas:
It’s difficult to understand, but as a child, you crave love and connection, even from those who harm you. Some of the perpetrators saw qualities in me—intelligence, beauty—that my mother never acknowledged. That validation created an emotional attachment, twisted as it was.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you ever feel safer in the network than with your mother?

Anneke Lucas:
At times, yes. The network was horrific, but the constant projection of my mother’s sadism and her complete disregard for me as a person were incredibly hard to live with.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned being trafficked in Germany. What was your role there?

Anneke Lucas:
I was taken to a facility in Heidelberg for mind control training. The training involved torture and psychological manipulation to create a high-functioning tool for their purposes.

Patrick Bet-David:
What was the training like?

Anneke Lucas:
It was precise and calculated. They’d use techniques like strangling me until I fainted, forcing my intuition to sharpen. It was both punishment and conditioning.

Patrick Bet-David:
Did you encounter other survivors from this program?

Anneke Lucas:
Yes, I’ve met other survivors who went through similar experiences under David Rockefeller and Hans Harmsen.

Patrick Bet-David:
What do you think kept you alive?

Anneke Lucas:
I believe there was a spiritual presence with me, even in the darkest moments. That presence, along with the insights I gained during my near-death experience, helped me survive and heal.

Patrick Bet-David:
Do you believe in justice for the perpetrators?

Anneke Lucas:
I trust in spiritual justice more than earthly justice. Many of these individuals died without being held accountable, but I believe their actions will have consequences beyond this life.

Patrick Bet-David:
You’ve spoken about division and control. What role do you think the network plays in that?

Anneke Lucas:
The network thrives on division and manipulation. They use media, social issues, and power dynamics to keep people distracted and fighting each other, so they don’t look at the real source of control.

Patrick Bet-David:
You mentioned rituals. What purpose do these rituals serve in the network?

Anneke Lucas:
The rituals are meant to solidify loyalty to the network and to Satan. They involve acts of extreme violence and depravity, designed to break individuals and bind them to the network’s control.

Patrick Bet-David:
What happens to those who refuse to participate?

Anneke Lucas:
They’re often eliminated or ostracized. It’s a system of absolute control, and rebellion is not tolerated.

Patrick Bet-David:
You’ve said the network includes powerful figures—Prime Ministers, billionaires, and others. How does this network stay hidden?

Anneke Lucas:
They control media and public perception. They use their resources to craft and protect their images while silencing those who try to expose them.

Patrick Bet-David:
Do you believe this network still exists today?

Anneke Lucas:
Absolutely. Nothing has happened to dismantle it. It’s still operating, using the same methods of control and manipulation.

Patrick Bet-David:
What role does social media play in this system?

Anneke Lucas:
Social media is another tool for control. It’s used to spread propaganda, create division, and distract people from the truth.

Patrick Bet-David:
How can people protect themselves and their children?

Anneke Lucas:
Awareness is key. Educate yourself about the signs of trafficking, manipulation, and abuse. Protect your children by fostering open communication and vigilance.

Patrick Bet-David:
You’ve spoken about healing. What has that process been like for you?

Anneke Lucas:
Healing is a long and arduous journey. It involves confronting the trauma, working through the pain, and reclaiming your sense of self. I’ve also developed a psychological healing modality that helps others address power dynamics and unresolved emotional wounds.

Patrick Bet-David:
What’s your message to survivors?

Anneke Lucas:
You are not alone. Healing is possible, and there is light beyond the darkness. It takes courage, but you can find peace and purpose again.

Patrick Bet-David:
Thank you for sharing your story, Anneke.

Anneke Lucas:
Thank you for giving me the platform to speak.

Patrick Bet-David:
It’s a difficult conversation, but it’s one we need to have.