Author and former Wall Street Journal columnist Abigail Shrier recently joined Joe Rogan on “The Joe Rogan Experience” to discuss her latest book, “Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren’t Growing Up.”

The overarching theme of Shrier’s book is essentially this: Modern health care, especially in therapy and mental health, is failing kids.

The idea of waning trust in the medical industry as a whole fueled much of the duo’s conversation.

“Before COVID, I had a completely different opinion of the medical establishment,” Rogan said. “My opinion of the medical establishment was that they were there to help people; that’s it. I never questioned it.”

But when the pandemic hit, he quickly discovered that “the whole thing is a money and influence game run by very powerful people.”

“Most sane people now believe … that the CDC doesn't necessarily have your best interests at heart,” and neither does “the NIH,” “the government,” and especially “Joe Biden,” says Dave Rubin.

To hear more, watch the clip below.

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